Gaming can make a better world?
11 CommentsDear Jane,
95% of this presentation is half mental.
Seriously! STOP playing games. Throw away those shrouds of insanity. Get out of that virtual ‘web’.
Ok, about your presentation, in few words – no reasoning. Just some facts & a gamer’s beliefs. Let me break it down.
(Figures in bracket indicate the time in video)
1. (1:32) Games aspire you to solve real world problems like climate change, hunger, poverty, and obesity.
- Did you forget terrorism? Every Tom, Dick & Harry wants to solve those problems.
2. (1: 50) A picture of a guy showing fear, intense concentration, optimism etc. emotions.
- I get all these emotions even while watching FIFA world cup final or ‘LOST’ on my TV set. Online gaming is just another form of entertainment. Nothing else.
3. (3:45) We are not as good in real world as in gaming. We are aspired to collaborate, cooperate as we play more online games.
- Okay! Two situations – virtual world vs real world. Two factors that matter – a person & a challenge in front of him. If the same person can solve a problem in virtual world & can not solve it in real world, obviously the virtual world’s problem does not have exact intelligence of real world problem. Games’ problems/challenges are just ‘simulated’ versions of real ones. And, about collaboration & cooperation, it’s a well known fact that people who spend too much time on computer / online games do not have social skills?
4. (4:15) Real world emotions like - frustration, cynicism are not present in gaming world.
- So you feel elated when you lose? Have you ever seen a teen playing the same game at the same level at the umpteenth time for eternity? Don’t tell me that’s determination. On a serious note, if these emotions are not present in virtual world, how do gamers learn to deal with them ?
5. (6:10) Till date, we have played World of warcraft for 5.93 million years. Which is evolution because our ancestors took same time to stand up.
- So, if I manage to sit around, lurking at hot girls for 5.93 million years, would that be evolution?
6. (6:53) We are evolving to be more collaborative because of online games.
- I used to play football/cricket/ tons of other real games with real people, not caring about my broken ankle, my bleeding knees, & not even about my parents’ crying out at the highest of their pitch, you know why? Because I hated my playmates.
7. (10:40) Second biggest wiki for World of Warcraft – 80000 articles, more information than any other topic, epic knowledge resource.
- How do people use this database for their betterment? Isn’t that wiki a waste of time & other costly resources?
8. (12:02) It makes perfect sense for us to spend more time in virtual world than in real world.
- With my little knowledge of economics, let me elaborate on this one. Economics says, people optimize their choices & chose the option that gives them maximum returns. In this case, returns from virtual world are happiness & entertainment. Of course ‘an individual’ gets it more in virtual world than real world, but that does not mean; in anyway, that the individual gets better in real world.
9. (00:44) Currently we invest 3 billion hours weekly for online games. (1:18) Required – 21 billion hours weekly to “survive” next century.
- And, I thought our survival is threatened by – nuclear war, climate change etc. Anyway, let me finish my argument with the topic you started the presentation. I have almost covered all your “reasoning-points(?)”, let’s assume we can make a better world by playing games, but nothing supports that 21 billion hours would be sufficient or that 3 billion hours are insufficient.
I am not against gaming. I am just against your presentation & preposterous claims regarding games’ benefits. The problem is with data mining. Too many statistics & research & you start looking ‘things’.
I would be happy to further argue on this.
hello Mr., i would like to respond a few of your points, for the sake of a good debate, and the possibility of fixing your or my “wrong thinking”; Now lets get started
1. well this is just another problem which CAN be solved by gaming, if we solve climate change we can solve anything, and i am not saying this as if they were random words, if we have teamwork we can solve this problem, i know this does not make so much sense when you read it but if you were in my head you would understand.
2.YES. you just answered yourself, less typing to do xD, well you do make a “mistake” here and its not JUST a way of entertaining, soccer is another way of entertaining, gaming (the whole videos point is to prove what you stated wrong)is not well.., the video explains this to you… (HAHAHA i did not end up typing less xD).
3. first off, gamers that ARE interested on playing games for the sake of thinking and basically “burning your brain cells” WANT to solve problems, they just are “scared” of solving them in real life, because of the possibility of failing and not having “another chance” or… “messing up”, if WE get the chance (i say we because i am a dedicated gamer who likes to “burn his brain cells”) we WILL try and probably succeed.
to the “second part” now, we ARE sociable, we just think different and “normal” people wont open their minds to our way of thinking, and if we all are gamers we basically WILL understand each other and WILL have “some teamwork going on”.
4. we do get angry, frustrated, etc… not NEAR as much as we get on real life, because we DO get the chance of “un-messing up”, so yeah, i am saying she is not right at this point but not completely wrong what i want to say here is that we deal with the “problem” (i do not say “problem” because i do not find it a problem but because you do not refer at it that way) at a better degree as of not getting completely “affected” from failure or “madness” we just try again, when we fail so many times, we still try, some times we do “rage quit” but that is a good control as not “dumb raging” or “raging” and being mad at life, we stop for a moment and try again in a moment.
5. This one is very offensive the “lurking at hot girls”, is offensive, what she mean by the 5.93 million years, (which you probably do understand)is that this will teach us to be team workers, we will teach our children to be the same way and our children will teach theirs etc.., what this will do en 5.93 million years.., (or as long as you want) is that it will teach us to be a group of team working people, and a “better human race”.
6. This gets answered by my last answer.
7. What this means is that we DO work together to make a better “world” a better (i am not sure if this word does exists)gaming-nes
(or as you wish to call it) and it might become into a collaboration to achieve ANY gold.
8. this one is so wrong that i will not answer anything at all.
9. As far as i concern this one is pure personal opinion and your personal opinion is none of my business.
i would be glad if you answered.
Thank you
-Sebastian
I definitely disagree with the bulk of your arguments. You claim that she has no reasoning behind her claims, but neither do you.
How does, “used to play football/cricket/ tons of other real games with real people, not caring about my broken ankle, my bleeding knees, & not even about my parents’ crying out at the highest of their pitch, you know why? Because I hated my playmates.” a real argument?
You’re relaying your own story as the basis of an argument. That is mere opinion. Where are the statistics that this is the same for more than half of the world population? Or even the United States population…?
Furthermore, your reasoning is mere circular questioning…
“7. (10:40) Second biggest wiki for World of Warcraft – 80000 articles, more information than any other topic, epic knowledge resource.
- How do people use this database for their betterment? Isn’t that wiki a waste of time & other costly resources?”
Within the game, there are things that need to be learned for the players to advance. The wiki is funded by the players. The players are the ones who use it. If they are paying for it, then why question the time and cost of resources? It’s their money and time. The internet is vast so questioning resources is unnecessary.
I could further my point, but I think you get the idea. That is, she may seemingly fail in giving true statistics “reasoning” to support her claims, but you turn around and do the same thing.
Stacy,
First of all thanks for commenting & would love to further argue on your points.
I wrote article to merely point out flaws & ’superficial reasoning’ in Jane’s presentation, which makes it less believable. About my reasoning, I guess I was trying to be sarcastic to Jane’s comments.
About your comments -
1. “You’re relaying your own story…..”.
The point was not just to present my story. Before 10-15 years, there were no PC games, online games, & I believe we all played with ‘real people’. Right? And, didn’t we learn to coordinate, to cooperate, to socialize?
2. “Within the game, there are things that need…..”.
Let’s take a step back & look at the whole presentation. The point Jane wants to make is - ‘we could be better humans & could solve real world problems like climate change, poverty etc.’
I just want to point out the uselessness of this ’second biggest wiki’ for the aforementioned purpose.
I absolutely have no problem with players spending their money on games/ wiki (I believe in materialism). When I mentioned it as ‘a waste’, it was in the given context of the purpose/ problems Jane was addressing. I guess, this even makes it clear that I am not questioning ‘internet’.
Hope I have made myself clear. If not, feel free drop comments.
Thank you,
Alpesh.
Sebastian,
I took liberty to edit your comment. But, I have just deleted the part of article & have kept your comment untouched. That’s just to improve readability.
1.”..if we solve climate change we can solve anything..”
- Jane’s presentation’s aim is to demonstrate ‘how’ games can solve these problems. My point here is just that she does not mention anything on those lines - ‘how to solve poverty/climate problems’.
I understand what you want to mean by ‘teamwork’. I agree with games we do develop teamwork to some extent. There are plenty of other much better opportunities with proven & more efficient results. Don’t you think playing football with real player on ground is better than virtual football in that context ?
2. So, what according to you is the purpose of gaming, if not entertainment? You do know, gaming (real or virtual) comes under ‘entertainment industry’ officially?
3. ‘If I get a chance, I would want to marry Angelina Jolie’.
That’s how your reasoning was. Anyway, you have done half of my work. You agreed that gamers are ’scared’ of problems of real world. (That’s largely because of difference in real & virtual world.) Why can’t we just focus on those problems of real world, without any simulated environment, & may be we would be able to solve them.
4. See, I don’t have problem acknowledge that gamers do have some skills, patience etc. All I am saying is, they are applicable only to that environment. And so, to develop those skills further or in better way, there are other opportunities where we should concentrate more than gaming.
5. Yes I do understand. She is talking about ‘evolution’. My problem is not with figure 5.93million. Again, she has not demonstrated ‘how’ would we be better human by playing games. Real world’s collaboration would improve us a lot more than virtual world’s collaboration.
6. As I said earlier, don’t you think, if we want to solve problems of real world (poverty, climate etc.) we should know that environment better? Shouldn’t we collaborate, evolve in that environment? Wouldn’t virtual world’s skills be lesser applied to real world than real world’s skills ?
7. All I am saying is, if you are talking about ‘making a better world’ you should actually act in that direction rather than spending your ‘time’ on making a wiki which has limited benefits. Person A spends 5 hours a day for making a wiki about World of Warcraft, & person B spends the same time for making a wiki about Climate change, awareness about poverty & hunger etc. Get the picture?
8. What didn’t you agree with? The economic theory or ‘if a person gets better in virtual world, he is not necessarily better in real world’?
(God, I could have written whole another article on that.:P)Anyway, I am glad you dropped by.
Thank you.
how old are you for f#&%s sake
you have the mental ability and reasoning of an 8 year old
Well first off Thank you for reading my “comment”
Now. I did not understand the “question” 8, that’s why i did not answer, and said such a weird thing, i really do not know how to argue with your conclusion, there is some things i would like to “fix” so we can have our “perfect” “picture”, “lets get to the real deal”
1. well she was not talking about gaming as First Person Shooters, if you watched the whole video (which is very likely) you would know which kind of games she is talking about, if you did some research (i am not saying you didn’t) about the games she developed to “save the world” like “Evoke” or “The world without oil” (i think that was its name).
what i mean here is that depending on the game you “game” you will become a “better” person and a “better” human being
2.it is entertaining but not JUST entertaining
3.we have to change the way we see the world so we can solve problems form real life as if they were “virtual problems”
i am pretty busy right now, i will say the rest later
my best regards
-Sebastian
From Comment 3 (M. Chaudhari):
“Before 10-15 years, there were no PC games, online games, & I believe we all played with ‘real people’. Right? And, didn’t we learn to coordinate, to cooperate, to socialize?”
—
No, your arbitrarily universal statement is incorrect. There are & have always been people for whom circumstances did not permit, or who were personally incapable of, socialization with others. The one often leads into the other. I grew up in a town with appx. 300 residents spread out quite thin. There were no other children for me to play with - as a result, I did not learn to be around others. Games, first off-line & then online, taught me the problem-solving skills that I was incapable of gaining elsewhere. Viewing the world through game-like mechanics overcame my crippling self-confidence issues, giving me a lens through which to approach those around me & develop my relationships with others.
I may respond more later, but now I have to go to a party one of my friends is hosting now. Ciao.
-CLC
CLC, hello history bro.., kinda.. xD, i did not learn how to relate, not because there was no1 to play with but because i do not like playing the games people of my age play
Chris LC,
I do not wish to undermine the ‘collaborative & socializing skills’ one can get through gaming (virtual world). I merely want to stress the point that we are not trained in gaming as good as in real world problems / environment.
Thank you.
Anon,
Thank you. I wish I was 8 again.
Sebastian,
I have ran out my sentences. All I can think of to answer you, is already written in article / comments.
I have looked into the games Jane has developed. But, see my point is - if you want to learn Karate, you can’t learn those with video games. If you want to improve strategizing skills of war, you can’t do it with Age of Empires. (Just to mention, I am a big fan of this game & yes, I do believe that this equips us with strategic skills to some extent.) There are better ways, in fact, far better ways. (Karate - go to ‘actual’ classes, solve poverty problems - help poor people build there ‘economics’. I can give you tons of examples of people actually go out & help to combat poverty.)
Leave a comment!
Web Content by Ameya Pimpalgaonkar is copyright protected & licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 2.5 India License.
Based on a work at www.madeitsimple.com.
Categories
Archive
Blogroll
Tag Cloud
ABAP ABAP Simple abap simplified AIMCAT apple apple imac apple iPhone Aromatherapy career CAT CAT 2008 CAT 2009 Crack SNAP Economy English EP Essential oils GK for SNAP GMAT Grammar Holiday how to use essential oils IIFT GK list of essential oils MBA MBA in niche sector MBA opportunities Media money Netweaver Niche MBA degree parner Parnerkar Parnerkar Maharaj Poornawad prepare for SNAP GK Recession SAP SAP ABAP SAP ABAP Simplified SAP EP sap ep interview questions SNAP GK TIME VARecent Posts
Most Commented
About Ameya